The unions were, from the start, infiltrated by socialist ideologies and some anarchists even, and were notoriously riotous and bloody when they didn't get what they wanted. And, also, you've STILL never addressed the fact that a considerable number of Carnegie's workforce WANTED to keep working and WANTED to not join the union, but the unionists responded by burning their houses to the ground. What about those poor workers, who, out of principle, refused to join the union? Did you know Carnegie gave them raises?
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And there were plenty of loyalists to Britain, the revolution itself was a minority group, and socialism was created in the wake OF the Industrial Revolution as a response to the inhumane conditions and treatment of the workers as a whole. The unions sometimes betrayed the interests of the workers, and in many cases, yes, they got bloody, so did we during the revolution. The union workers viewed non-union workers as traitors to their dreams of gaining better wages and conditions because, before that time, Frick lived to use non-union workers to inflict his wrath on them. I will never say that… Read more
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And there were plenty of loyalists to Britain, the revolution itself was a minority group...
Hold up, I thought we were talking about labor unions and free markets and monopolies, not the history of the birth of this great Confederation. This word salad sure has the most random things in it...
The unions sometimes betrayed the interests of the workers, and in many cases, yes, they got bloody, so did we during the revolution.
That's an Appeal to Hypocrisy Fallacy – you're saying that violence and bloodshed on the part of the unions I cannot claim is wrong when I would have support… Read more
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I am using the British loyalists as an example, not a diversion, to explain my point of view. People do disgusting things to do what they view is right, and today, what they did has proven to be right in the long run as now you HAVE weekends, now you have 8-hour workdays, overtime pay, a guaranteed basic amount of wages for working, mandating you be paid at least close to what you’re worth. Whatever economic impact that caused, it was worth it, because we’re happier, we’re healthier, we’re BETTER than in the 1880s, and that’s thanks to unions and the labor movement overtime.
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Here's a thought experiment – imagine some cataclysmic event destroyed all the technological progress of man since the year 1800 and we were left completely to start over, completely to recreate everything we've lost – but with a catch – you can't work you employees more than eight hours a day, you can't work your employees more than five days a week, they must be paid 50% more for every hour they work more than that, you must pay them $15 an hour, you must allow them to unionise and go on strike whenever they please, you cannot let teenagers work, you… Read more
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Well, I’d lax SOME of these things because some of them are useless now, but a lot of these things being destroyed just leads to disgustingly inhumane and unethical conditions, practically creating barely paid slave labor. I’d take out the unions for a little bit to get some progress done, but the moment they become big again, we’re riding these types of regulations right back in. With our current minds and access to knowledge, we’d recreate our previous circumstances extremely fast regardless. The factories that create the parts for more factories don’t have to… Read more
