The workers work for people because they’ll starve if they don’t. That’s not voluntary, that’s by necessity for survival.
It is 100% voluntary. Survival is just what incentives workers to voluntarily make that decision – the notion that that's the motive behind the transaction does not change the fact that it is still voluntary. They can chose to shrivel up and die, if they want. That option is open to them. Or they could choose to work somewhere else. But instead, they made the smart decision by choosing to work for someone else – and they would deservedly starve if they refused to do any work at all. There is nothing you can do to change the fact that no one is going to feed himself or his family by sitting there watching TikTok all day. Sorry, but it's impossible.
If they had the ability to work for themselves or live without work, then they’d be doing another job voluntarily, but that’s not what capitalist society is.
Just like if you had the ability to snap your fingers and cure world hunger and have everyone come together in a big, sunny, butterfly-y field to hold hands and sing hippy rockstar John Lennon's "Imagine," you'd do it. We can sit and dream about outlandish scenarios like this all day. I really, really hate to burst your cute little naive bubble, but I'm going to pop that sucker anyway (after all, I'm just another heartless conservative.) – In real life there is suffering, death, starvation, strife, war, famine, drought, natural disasters, suffering (or did I mention that already), oh, and let's not forget, more suffering. Don't get angry with me for saying this, but that's because we're a fallen, sinful world. We have two options as human beings –
(1) Try to wash all the troubles off the face of the world with the tears cascading down your face, and watch them laugh at you
OR, alternatively
(2) Accept that there will be hardship, stop living in Fairyland, and work.
We can dream all day about what a perfect world would look like – but no one cares, ultimately, it's not going to fix anything. Sorry to be so coldly realistic – but you need a good dosage of cold, hard TRUTH.
Minimum wage reduces the amount of workers who could be paid unfairly,
Only by cutting back on the number of workers and creating unemployment.
Hope that helped! :)
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Under legal circumstances, we call that economic duress, and when the job market is intentionally attacked by businesses who are far less likely to actually NEGOTIATE as much as simply demand lowering their wages, that’s considered fine, though it fits the definition perfectly. Consent requires a neutral result if you refuse something, being starved is a negative result as a response to refusing to work in an unfair work environment. The very least that can be done is a floor wage that makes sure a bare minimum to actually be guaranteed survival in the workplace is necessary, no matter… Read more
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Why was the poverty rate five times higher in the USSR than the United States, then, if it worked so wonderfully? Is that what you call "poverty almost gone"?
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Poverty in the form of lacking basic needs had DISAPPEARED, though many jobs couldn’t supply a large amount of wants, their quality of life was high for a long time. What we call poverty is different than theirs, they had the same levels we did in the early 1900s for a long time due to their isolation from global markets, but what the UN would consider poverty didn’t EXIST in that nation. It was far from perfect, but the USSR was a hardy nation that teaches the world a lot about what’s possible, despite its revolting flaws.