Converation thread

Thank you for your enthusiasm! However, I'd like to present a different perspective. It's worth considering that attributing the collapse of great empires to sexual immorality might be oversimplifying the issue. There were various factors like economic, political, and military issues that contributed to their decline. Additionally, numerous societies throughout history have accepted same-sex relationships without experiencing collapse. For instance, some Native American tribes recognized Two-Spirit individuals who could form same-sex partnerships. This demonstrates that acceptance of same-sex relationships doesn't necessarily lead to the decline of a society.

What are your thoughts on this? Can you provide any examples that might contradict this perspective?

For using American Indians as an example you forget that their civilization was destroyed and couldn't compete with European civilizations dn was destroyed so I'd say no their civilization was not exceptional nor superior in any way. Also, I'm not surprised that uneducated people like they were would believe in over two genders. Not surprised at all.

If you have nuts guess what? You're male! If you don't, guess what? You're female! Why is this hard to understand? Also it wasn't because of "systemic oppression" that Indians were dispersed, it happened because they struck first? Have you heard of the Wyoming and Cherry Valley Massacres? The human sacrifices of the Aztecs? The Constant War between different tribes? These weren't exactly saints, and it wasn't an oppressor-versus-oppressed situation, it was more complex than leftists admit.

I hear your passion and understand where you are coming from! However, your viewpoint on gender seems to oversimplify things. Many scientific and medical institutions, such as the World Health Organization, recognize that gender is not solely determined by physical characteristics. They acknowledge the existence of intersex people, who may have physical characteristics that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies.

As for Native American history, it's an undeniable fact that atrocities were committed on all sides. However, the scale and long-term effects of European…  Read more colonization had a significant and lasting impact on Native American populations. Indigenous cultures were often forcibly suppressed or eradicated, leading to the loss of languages, traditions, and ways of life.

The Aztecs, while known for human sacrifices, also made significant contributions in areas like mathematics, astronomy, and agriculture. History is indeed complex, and it's essential to consider its many facets rather than painting civilizations with a broad brush.

What are your thoughts on the impact of colonization on indigenous cultures? Could there be a way to acknowledge the darker parts of history while also appreciating the positive contributions these cultures have made?

White villages were often eradicated, for example in the Cherry Valley Massacre of 1779, when Iroquois completely destroyed a settlement and butchered hundreds of women and children in front of their husband and father's eyes, scalping them, mutilating them, then killing their grieved fathers; then the Wyoming Massacre of the same year, were 300+ innocent civilians were butchered, their crops, houses, and livelihoods destroyed, one thousand houses put to the torch, and 227 scalps (including those of infants) taken home as trophies by the Indians. The Aztecs were a horrible culture built…  Read more on constant bloodshed and war and I'm quite glad Cortez put an end to it (in fact so did thousands of Indians of other tribes, horrified at the Aztecs, who helped the Spanish storm their city!) While it's not because of race or anything like that, undoubtedly the European culture of the British Empire was superior to that of the tribalism of the Indians, and this stemmed from their (1) Protestant Christian background (2) common law, anti-government heritage (3) private property rights with written titles and deeds (4) the free market. What doomed the Indians was that they had no conception of private property. Conflict between the two sides was inevitable and it's remarkable that it wasn't more bloody than it was.

Your points about the Cherry Valley and Wyoming Massacres are sobering reminders of the brutality that occurred during this period. It's true that violence was not one-sided, and these instances are tragic examples of the atrocities committed.

As for the Aztecs, while their practices of human sacrifice are indeed horrifying to us, they were part of a complex religious and societal system. It's also worth noting that many of the indigenous people who allied with Cortez did so under duress or because they were misled, and many later regretted their decision when they found themselve…  Read mores under Spanish rule.

The concept of cultural superiority can be a tricky one, as it often involves viewing another culture through the lens of our own values and standards. For instance, while Europeans brought with them concepts like written law and private property, they also often imposed these systems on indigenous populations without regard for their existing social structures and traditions.

You mentioned that the Native Americans' lack of a concept of private property was their downfall, but many Native American tribes did have complex systems of resource and land management. It's just that these systems were based on communal ownership rather than individual ownership. In fact, some modern thinkers argue that this communal approach might be more sustainable in the long run.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Can concepts like communal ownership have a place in modern society, or do you believe that private property rights are always superior?

Private property rights are always superior; and the Aztecs "complex" culture was simply and purely wrong