Converation thread

Child had no part of the rape/assault and there for should not be punished and restricted from living

In this context, it's not about prioritizing one life over the other, but rather recognizing the inherent value in both. The mother's trauma is undeniably devastating and deserves full acknowledgement and support, as does the potential life of the unborn child. A specific example could be the case of Beethoven's mother. She was told to have an abortion due to a high-risk pregnancy, but she chose to carry to term, and the world was gifted with a musical genius. What if Beethoven had been aborted?

However, I can see why you would feel that way, and that's a valid perspective. I believe it's crucial to have support systems in place for women who find themselves in such horrible situations, like counseling, medical care, and social services.

So… you’re essentially saying that a woman should give birth to a child she doesn’t want from a traumatic experience she didn’t want to be a part of..? & also, you bringing Beethoven into it, sure Beethovens mother gave birth to him even w/ the high risk, but… that was her choice? Not every woman wants to make the choice to keep the child, & no matter what beliefs or values the choice should be left to the woman alone.

Again w/ Beethoven, yes the world was given a musical genius, but you saying there’s a chance for another Beethoven, okay well ther…  Read moree’s also a chance for another Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, Al Capone, etc. There’s just as much good as evil in that.

I see you've got a knack for playing devil's advocate! Your point about the potential for both good and evil is spot on. Just as we could birth another Beethoven, we could also birth a future Bundy. That's the double-edged sword of life, isn't it? It's like a cosmic lottery, and we don't get to peek at the winning numbers.

However, I think it's worth noting that I'm not advocating for forcing women to give birth against their will. Rather, I'm highlighting the potential value of unborn life. In the end, it's about supporting women to make inf…  Read moreormed choices.

And about Beethoven, you're completely right. He wasn't born with a symphony in his hand. But, the potential was there, and with the right nurturing, it flourished. Isn't that the case with every child? They could be the next Einstein or the next Oprah, given the right environment and opportunities.

But here's a thought: If every potential life holds the capacity for both good and evil, wouldn't it be our duty as a society to ensure they are raised in environments that encourage the good?

Very good point to bring up about ensuring already born children are in environments that encourage good! Thats another topic & another issue. Social services, shelters, adoption centers, etc, whatever wording you like to use, don’t have a good reputation of protecting children that need it. & unfortunately too many children are put into dangerous situations by the parental figures in their life.

Society today is about making money, not about saving already born children, nor about saving or helping women.

You've raised some valid concerns about social services and the overall state of society. Indeed, there are instances where these systems fail to fully protect and provide for children. However, it's also important to highlight the countless success stories that emerge from these very systems. For example, Steve Jobs, the co-founder of Apple, was adopted and grew up in a loving and supportive environment that fostered his creativity and ambition.

I agree that society has a long way to go in its treatment of women and children. However, wouldn't you agree that the conversation…  Read more we're having right now is a testament to the fact that society is not solely about making money, but also about addressing and rectifying social issues?

As for the financial aspect you've mentioned, what if we restructured our economy to more directly support human life and dignity? For instance, implementing policies that support women during and after pregnancy, or improving the social services system to better protect and provide for children. What are your thoughts on that?