Well what is and isn’t moral tends to be based upon effect and total fairness
No, what is and isn't moral is based upon the Bible, which is the only logical possibility, as I've already established in our prior debates.
Overall, taxation has a more positive effect as it keeps the roads, the hospitals, the water, and the economy running in an orderly fashion.
Interesting that all the services you listed can, and have been provided entirely privately, with outstanding success, throughout history, especially in the US, when 99 percent of roads were once private, 100 percent of hospitals were private, 100 percent of water was private, and the economy was FAR more orderly because there wasn't the Federal Reserve messing things up & creating Depressions.
Taxation is a moral responsibility
No, it's not. Taxation is the act of the government taking my money, from me. And I have a right to defend it, because I earned it, not the government. In saying that taxation is a moral responsibility, you've admitted that there's a such thing as morality, thus being forced to assume Christianity in order to have this discussion. And, as I've already demonstrated, Christianity alone can account for morality. Again, I'm not committing a logical fallacy by saying this, because we've already established it in prior debates. You can try to de-establish it by presenting a logical argument for your position, but as far as I'm aware you gave up on that weeks ago...
because upon being a citizen of the United States, you have already agreed to that,
No, I didn't. I didn't agree to anything at all. That claim is so obviously and absurdly false. Unless, of course, you're spewing the French Jacobin "Social Contract Theory" in which case the laugh ability of this argument is multiplied even further...
These services and infrastructure projects could not be funded by simple tarrifs or indirect taxation alone
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The Bible doesn’t really have to be, rational morality can be based upon the feelings and logic of the average person long before the Bible existed. The five pillars of morality (a constructed system to analyze morality itself, which isn’t necessarily Bible based) tend to be a decent way to analyze actions and reasons for them, such as effect or fairness. The reasons we do things are based upon that in most areas, and the reason for those senses remains unknown because neither the Bible nor science can empirically prove the reason for those actions and senses since that is not a… Read more
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rational morality can be based upon the feelings and logic of the average person long before the Bible existed.
I understand that unbelievers often have a basic knowledge of right and wrong build into the conscience. But that's not an argument against Christianity – the reason unbelievers have that sense of right and wrong, the reason they possess consciences, is because God created those. They are not biological entities that can be explained through evolution. In fact, in a Darwinian Evolutionist worldview, "total fairness" a metric you seem to use in judging between rig… Read more
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WELP, at least you’re starting to narrow down your gish gallop a little bit. Let’s start with the “unbeliever” part, which I just find funny because that WAS our state for a while… under the assumption that everyone was connected and fighting like that. For so long, these principles were applied, even with Christianity around, and that didn’t stop people from fighting for their own selfish interest, but the thing is that cooperation of people in societies helped to destroy the need for fighting and murdering everyone else in some darwinistic way, that just… Read more
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First off, I'd just like to mention that everything you said is totally irrelevant when you consider that your worldview is riddled with logical contradictions and fundamentally irrational, which is not a fallacious claim I am making, but something that through reason and logical debate we established a few weeks ago, with you merely giving up the discussion when you realised that atheism cannot account for the preconditions of intelligibility and when I brought up that the Bible is the only way to account for all those fundamental assumptions in a non-arbitrary way. If the Bible is the… Read more
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I hate having the deal with this argument so much, some things can just… BE sometimes, and we may never know why, like god for example, why does he just… EXIST out of nowhere. What created him? Where did he come from? How did he begin? The nature of reality is always in question no matter what, the Bible just outsources half of these questions to a theoretical deity that has many of its own flaws and unanswered questions, which threaten to destroy the whole human argument. Right and wrong exist upon a basis of personal values, which are determined by the experiences, feelings,… Read more