I hate having the deal with this argument so much, some things can just… BE sometimes, and we may never know why, like god for example, why does he just… EXIST out of nowhere. What created him? Where did he come from? How did he begin? The nature of reality is always in question no matter what, the Bible just outsources half of these questions to a theoretical deity that has many of its own flaws and unanswered questions, which threaten to destroy the whole human argument. Right and wrong exist upon a basis of personal values, which are determined by the experiences, feelings, and thoughts of individuals and groups. These feelings and experiences are unknown in their source, just as god is, but we have many theories of life itself, including the Big Bang, which, just like God, sorta just HAPPENED. Life itself afterwards has many theories, most assumed to be a large series of the right circumstances of the right conditions, such as a livable atmosphere, a good amount of elements, acids and molecules that form basic life which then grew on its own as materials and the environment changed. There were billions of years of time to create these changes, so naturally, they’re very different after so much time, growing in complexity as a series of chemical reactions.
Henry Ford did that for the sole goal of profit, same as most, and his company’s conditions remained terrible for a long time. Profit motives alone also work to the negative, and much more often are in fact, creating incentive to attack other companies with new innovative ideas or to exploit others outside of the country instead. Wages here increased in many areas out of government enforcement as well, along with things like the 5-day work week, paid leave, healthcare benefits, this type of stuff was forced into happening, because companies alone would likely refuse most of this on their own, or it would take far longer to naturally be willing to do so. And even with all of that, outsourced labor remains one of the most revolting… Read more
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If you hate dealing with my argument so much, one solution would be to provide a logical answer to it. But since you can't, I will absolutely continue to bring up the rather embarrassing fact that your worldview can't account for the preconditions of intelligibility or any aspect of reality in a non-arbitrary way, because really it makes you automatically wrong on so many of these issues we're discussing. Who created God? Where did he come from? How did he begin? Fallacies, all three questions – the fallacy of the complex question. You're circular reasoning, assuming… Read more
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And the concept that a being can have existed outside of time itself for eternity breaks the fabric of everything. The claim that the Bible is capable of creating a solid worldview yet also failing to explain the very being that creates it in a manner that is physically possible. The very teachings the Bible uses to explain gods existence could just easily be copied in a Marvel comic or some other figment of imagination. No matter what, every origin we try to create for ourselves or believe is real sounds hilariously dumb everytime we try to explain it to ourselves, from the Big Bang to creationism.
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How..? And Christianity is the only logical possibility, by the way... (hate to keep bringing this up, but I have to)
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There’s two concepts we’ve brought up here:
1: We all come from some divine being of ludicrously high power that managed to create every atom in the universe, and we down here on earth somehow understand and know that for a fact when we’ve barely managed to venture out into space or the universe at all.
2: The universe was formed from a random explosion of plasma and matter at a singular point that is the epicenter of the universe. We’re unsure where that is or what shape/form the universe has now, but we’re down here trying to figure that out for ourselves without any real being behind it other than the fact that it just… exists as far as we understand.
Both sound kinda ridiculous when you say them the right way, don’t you think?
@Patriot-#1776Constitution3mos3MO
First off, you still haven't answered my question about HOW the concept of God's existence "breaks the fabric of everything" – and I honestly expected that, having made such a massive and bold claim, you'd have a very good reason for making it. Apparently I was wrong. Secondly, the concepts you mentioned are messed up, it should be:
1: God is real, he is Omnipotent, and he created the universe, revealed some of His thoughts to us via the Bible, but we rebelled against his will, resulting in all the problems we see in the world today, but Jesus offers us the hope… Read more